Afghanistan Cricket / Taliban

ZIMDOGGY wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:51 pm

Why do you think this would happen?

It’s way more likely the opposite happening.

Because its happened once (before 1965) and has been re-introduced in 2021. Texas recently signed SB 1 into law which puts a lot of needless restrictions on voting targetting black, hispanic, and asian voters because demographic change is eroding the republican advantage in traditionally conservative places like Texas and Georgia (GA has already "gone" blue).

The ICC will be ruling on Afghanistan in November.

My gut feel is they will not touch Afghanistan's Test status or full membership as ACB clearly has nothing to do with the Taliban. Plus AFG is the ICC's sole success story. But they won't penalize individual teams from refusing to play Afghanistan.

Eventually this will mean Afghanistan will have a marked reduction in terms of the fixtures they have.

The ICC will be ruling on Afghanistan in November.

My gut feel is they will not touch Afghanistan's Test status or full membership as ACB clearly has nothing to do with the Taliban. Plus AFG is the ICC's sole success story. But they won't penalize individual teams from refusing to play Afghanistan.

Eventually this will mean Afghanistan will have a marked reduction in terms of the fixtures they have.

Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:49 am

The ICC will be ruling on Afghanistan in November.

My gut feel is they will not touch Afghanistan's Test status or full membership as ACB clearly has nothing to do with the Taliban. Plus AFG is the ICC's sole success story. But they won't penalize individual teams from refusing to play Afghanistan.

Eventually this will mean Afghanistan will have a marked reduction in terms of the fixtures they have.

If they don't / can't field a women's team then they have to be stripped off their test status. ACB cannot field a women's team without taliban allowing them to do so. If ICC feels this is govt intervention then they might as well suspend Afghanistan.

They were quick to do that to Zimbabwe. The reason why Zimbos are not playing the WC next month.

sam_ahm wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:12 pm

If they don't / can't field a women's team then they have to be stripped off their test status. ACB cannot field a women's team without taliban allowing them to do so. If ICC feels this is govt intervention then they might as well suspend Afghanistan.

They were quick to do that to Zimbabwe. The reason why Zimbos are not playing the WC next month.

They've had Test status for over 4 years. Remind me when they have ever fielded women's team in that time?

secretzimbo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:43 pm

sam_ahm wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:12 pm

If they don't / can't field a women's team then they have to be stripped off their test status. ACB cannot field a women's team without taliban allowing them to do so. If ICC feels this is govt intervention then they might as well suspend Afghanistan.

They were quick to do that to Zimbabwe. The reason why Zimbos are not playing the WC next month.

They've had Test status for over 4 years. Remind me when they have ever fielded women's team in that time?

Yup! Never.

Sounds like we have crossed over to stupid leftist virtue signalling territory.

Sounds like we have crossed over to stupid leftist virtue signalling territory.

Both the chairman and now the CEO of Afghanistan cricket board has been appointed by their current government without any transparent process or election.

How is this not government interference? The ICC is just blind.

Both the chairman and now the CEO of Afghanistan cricket board has been appointed by their current government without any transparent process or election.

How is this not government interference? The ICC is just blind.

Yep. Whilst not letting the women play is absolutely nothing new in the ACB, and would have just led to them being Associate members going forward (not suspended).......

.....This forced appointment of certain people to management positions is very clearly government interference. Zimbabwe got suspended for less.

If the ICC have any dignity and accountability the suspension would be immediate and they’d be booted out of the T20WC. But it’s the ICC, so.....

Yep. Whilst not letting the women play is absolutely nothing new in the ACB, and would have just led to them being Associate members going forward (not suspended).......

.....This forced appointment of certain people to management positions is very clearly government interference. Zimbabwe got suspended for less.

If the ICC have any dignity and accountability the suspension would be immediate and they’d be booted out of the T20WC. But it’s the ICC, so.....

sam_ahm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:50 pm

Both the chairman and now the CEO of Afghanistan cricket board has been appointed by their current government without any transparent process or election.

How is this not government interference? The ICC is just blind.

Absolutely. If they are consistent, what they did to Zim must happen to AFG.

If I understand it correctly, CEO is not an elected position in any company or organization. For the CEO to be appointed, doesn't seem inappropriate. I believe the Chairman is an elected office, but the current chair has already served in that position before the Taliban takeover. Also the cricinfo article seems to suggest he was "replaced" after Afghanistan's last place finish at the 2019 World Cup. So he wasn't removed democratically, but ZCF didn't seem to have a problem with that.

There's a world of difference between the ZC - who waste, misuse, and embezzle ICC funds - and the ACB which at least puts the money to better use. Purely from a business standpoint - capitalism! - the ACB is several fold more valuable to the ICC than ZC.

If I understand it correctly, CEO is not an elected position in any company or organization. For the CEO to be appointed, doesn't seem inappropriate. I believe the Chairman is an elected office, but the current chair has already served in that position before the Taliban takeover. Also the cricinfo article seems to suggest he was "replaced" after Afghanistan's last place finish at the 2019 World Cup. So he wasn't removed democratically, but ZCF didn't seem to have a problem with that.

There's a world of difference between the ZC - who waste, misuse, and embezzle ICC funds - and the ACB which at least puts the money to better use. Purely from a business standpoint - capitalism! - the ACB is several fold more valuable to the ICC than ZC.

Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:22 pm

If I understand it correctly, CEO is not an elected position in any company or organization. For the CEO to be appointed, doesn't seem inappropriate. I believe the Chairman is an elected office, but the current chair has already served in that position before the Taliban takeover. Also the cricinfo article seems to suggest he was "replaced" after Afghanistan's last place finish at the 2019 World Cup. So he wasn't removed democratically, but ZCF didn't seem to have a problem with that.

There's a world of difference between the ZC - who waste, misuse, and embezzle ICC funds - and the ACB which at least puts the money to better use. Purely from a business standpoint - capitalism! - the ACB is several fold more valuable to the ICC than ZC.

Well, the point is the ICC haven't been consistent. ZC doesn't even want to make noise about it.

There is a difference though. It was pretty much ZC itself going to ICC and insisting that there was government interference and begging them to suspend us. So...

CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:07 pm

Well, the point is the ICC haven't been consistent. ZC doesn't even want to make noise about it.

There is a difference though. It was pretty much ZC itself going to ICC and insisting that there was government interference and begging them to suspend us. So...

Well I didn't know that, but now that you've mentioned it, it does seem to be a different case altogether.

Afghanistan should not be suspended simply because its good for cricket. Cricket as a sport is already in a very precarious situation due to the pandemic, preponderance of T20 leagues, financial reliance on 2-3 major powers, political squabbling, and most importantly only a handful of serious countries taking up the sport (at most 10-12 teams).

Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:24 pm

CrimsonAvenger wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:07 pm

Well, the point is the ICC haven't been consistent. ZC doesn't even want to make noise about it.

There is a difference though. It was pretty much ZC itself going to ICC and insisting that there was government interference and begging them to suspend us. So...

Well I didn't know that, but now that you've mentioned it, it does seem to be a different case altogether.

Afghanistan should not be suspended simply because its good for cricket. Cricket as a sport is already in a very precarious situation due to the pandemic, preponderance of T20 leagues, financial reliance on 2-3 major powers, political squabbling, and most importantly only a handful of serious countries taking up the sport (at most 10-12 teams).

You’re right that there is a difference with the ZC case, in that it was the board and Mukuhlani themselves who flagged it to the ICC.

The USA and Nepal however (and numerous much tinier associates over the years) didn’t do that but have been suspended for less serious things than this.

I mean a group of Taliban (therefore, government) folk with AK’s storming into the office and demanding the CEO is replaced with their pick is pretty rad. You can be technical about a ceo being ‘appointed’ but I don’t think even the ICC can defend that.

I’m very confident they will be suspended in the interim. And then whenever that it settled and ‘investigated’ , they’ll find themselves as leading associates without test status again going forward.

Conveniently - and annoyingly - though it will probably all happen after the World Cup