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Not a big fan of T20, but I usually follow the World Cup somewhat closely. There's always usually an upset or two in every edition. I guess thats what T20 is good for.

Will be interesting to see if any surprise team wins the whole thing.
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I feel bad for these guys jeez. Getting absolutely violated
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Feels like a pretty good time to play the Netherlands for those ODIs. I hear theres some resistance from the Netherlands (They have SA in Nov/Dec and Afghanistan in Jan) - they want to delay the Zim series until much later in 2022.

ZC need to get on the phone and make it happen this summer haha. Don't give them time to rebuild!! 😂
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Very interesting to imagine where ZImbabwe would have ended up. They crushed Scotland but got beat by BD. Im fairly confident they cant beat Sri Lanka but they could beat Namibia. Shame they couldnt make it
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So with 12 places confirmed for 2022, there is scope for only 4 more spots.

Ireland, Netherlands and Zimbabwe should take 3 of those unless ICC puts all of them in the same group to ensure more Asian countries getting through.

ICC can play dirty, I don't trust them at all.

Other than the above 3,who are the contenders? Oman, UAE, Nepal, any other?
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Good win for Namibia. Poor from Ireland. Super 12s will be a different level though.
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:46 pm

So with 12 places confirmed for 2022, there is scope for only 4 more spots.

Ireland, Netherlands and Zimbabwe should take 3 of those unless ICC puts all of them in the same group to ensure more Asian countries getting through.

ICC can play dirty, I don't trust them at all.

Other than the above 3,who are the contenders? Oman, UAE, Nepal, any other?


To be honest, ICC can't play dirty in including more asian sides, if you start mapping then, associate asian sides are doing much better then associates of other continents. There are 8 asian associate sides between 10 to 30 in ICC T20 Rankings. Asian associates are not only developing their games but also trying to build infrastructure it will be harsh if ICC forcefully stops considering them.
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:35 pm


sam_ahm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:46 pm

So with 12 places confirmed for 2022, there is scope for only 4 more spots.

Ireland, Netherlands and Zimbabwe should take 3 of those unless ICC puts all of them in the same group to ensure more Asian countries getting through.

ICC can play dirty, I don't trust them at all.

Other than the above 3,who are the contenders? Oman, UAE, Nepal, any other?


I would love to see USA & Canada in next edition of T20WC. USA has been in news in spending lot for developing the game.

To be honest, ICC can't play dirty in including more asian sides, if you start mapping then, associate asian sides are doing much better then associates of other continents. Asian associates are not only developing their games but also trying to build infrastructure it will be harsh if ICC forcefully stops considering them.


I mean, this part is clear and complete bollocks considering we've got Namibia and Scotland in the Super 12's and no Asian sides. Nepal didn't even get out of their sub regional qualifier 😂 In the last major Associate event, the 2019 Global Qualifier, the top 5 finishers were all non-Asian.

Oman are very good though, I do like them as a team. But 'developing the game' is a bit of a stretch considering there are hardly any Omani-born players at any level or age and their 'stadium' was only developed properly in the last three months and entirely with ICC/BCCI cash.
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Now my problem is not with Asian or non Asian countries, my issue is with teams like USA, Canada, UAE, Oman who play all India-Pakistan expats.. I don't consider them to be teams at all, I like to see home grown players as in Namibia, Netherlands, Scotland, Kenya, PNG, Nepal etc... Otherwise what is the purpose of having a team. I saw Canada back in 2011 WC, I don't think even a single player was home grown.

I like Nepal, at least they have home grown players.

ICC often tries to get a lot of Asian countries as they see more 'market' in these places. For example ICC can make groups to ensure UAE and Oman get through to target a bigger audience in the Middle East.

ICC's interest in USA is also to target the large Asian population that now exists in the country.
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:02 am

Now my problem is not with Asian or non Asian countries, my issue is with teams like USA, Canada, UAE, Oman who play all India-Pakistan expats.. I don't consider them to be teams at all, I like to see home grown players as in Namibia, Netherlands, Scotland, Kenya, PNG, Nepal etc... Otherwise what is the purpose of having a team. I saw Canada back in 2011 WC, I don't think even a single player was home grown.

I like Nepal, at least they have home grown players.

ICC often tries to get a lot of Asian countries as they see more 'market' in these places. For example ICC can make groups to ensure UAE and Oman get through to target a bigger audience in the Middle East.

ICC's interest in USA is also to target the large Asian population that now exists in the country.


That's isn't an issue England team for so many years have played with quite a few South African Aussie born players now they have also hunted players from New Zealand & Barbados. Sikh community can't be considered as indian contingent as they nearly exist in every nation with certain % of population.Hope Asians plays an important role in comming years to bring local players into the game in these nations. Asians has raised the game, creating interest in crowds, which other continents have failed and ICC needs to consider it. Profit is everything for ICC and therefore Asian cricket is quite ahead then other continents and stadiums filled with crowds in associate nation games will certainly attract ICC
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:27 am


sam_ahm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:02 am

Now my problem is not with Asian or non Asian countries, my issue is with teams like USA, Canada, UAE, Oman who play all India-Pakistan expats.. I don't consider them to be teams at all, I like to see home grown players as in Namibia, Netherlands, Scotland, Kenya, PNG, Nepal etc... Otherwise what is the purpose of having a team. I saw Canada back in 2011 WC, I don't think even a single player was home grown.

I like Nepal, at least they have home grown players.

ICC often tries to get a lot of Asian countries as they see more 'market' in these places. For example ICC can make groups to ensure UAE and Oman get through to target a bigger audience in the Middle East.

ICC's interest in USA is also to target the large Asian population that now exists in the country.


That's isn't an issue England team for so many years have played with quite a few South African Aussie born players now they have also hunted players from New Zealand & Barbados. Sikh community can't be considered as indian contingent as they nearly exist in every nation with certain % of population.Hope Asians plays an important role in comming years to bring local players into the game in these nations. Asians has raised the game, creating interest in crowds, which other continents have failed and ICC needs to consider it. Profit is everything for ICC and therefore Asian cricket is quite ahead then other continents and stadiums filled with crowds in associate nation games will certainly attract ICC


Most of the English players currently though besides Archer and Morgan learnt their cricket in England. Guys like Stokes, Roy etc learnt their cricket in England. I know previously, this was much more abundant but I dont think it was a good thing. Its better now. Anyway,this current English team is unlike countries like Oman where most of the guys are India or Pakistan u19 players. We dont want to see cricket being confined to just the subcontinent and countries like Namibia, Png etc doing well as opposed to Oman would mean much more growth for the game.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:01 am

Its probably the incoming India tours every 4 years. One India series can set you up for 5 years, provided you don't play too many Tests.


That probably contributes. But also our ICC funding is over 12m USD per year whilst Ireland’s is a touch under 5m.

Whilst some things cost a fortune in Zim generally, I would imagine cricket is substantially cheaper to run overall here than in Ireland so in theory that budget of theirs is pretty stretched. I’m sure they have other funding streams etc and a lot of our money gets mysteriously disappeared but still it’s a big difference.

The associates get much much much less than that even. That’s why sadly it’s always going to be tough for them. We have a very unfair sport tbh.
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dammit coudlve won that one. Counting on BD kriterion to upset aus :D
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No need to play in Dubai International Cricket Stadium. Team wins toss bat second should be straight way declared as winner.

5 out of 5 winners batting 2nd.. Today its going to be the 6th time. ICC simply destroying thrilling world cup into a lottery tournament
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:55 pm

No need to play in Dubai International Cricket Stadium. Team wins toss bat second should be straight way declared as winner.

5 out of 5 winners batting 2nd.. Today its going to be the 6th time. ICC simply destroying thrilling world cup into a lottery tournament


Both stadiums have been like that. Terrible stuff. In Sharjah think it was only the Afghans with the Scots who won batting first.
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slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:09 am

Little, Adair, Tector and Campher are the only real young talents they seem to have yeah. All 4 are pretty terrific finds imo. Young is a little bit older/ I think White was a decent spinner.


Thats more young talents than BD have.
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Kriterion_BD wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:07 pm


slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:09 am

Little, Adair, Tector and Campher are the only real young talents they seem to have yeah. All 4 are pretty terrific finds imo. Young is a little bit older/ I think White was a decent spinner.


Thats more young talents than BD have.


Mehidy, Naim, maybe Mossadek, Saifuddin? But yeah theyve been around for a while now.
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Jesus is India gonna get kicked out??
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slcricfan1 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:46 pm

Jesus is India gonna get kicked out??


Highly likely. Unless Namibia/Scotland cause any shocks against NZ or something.

NZ Vs AFG is gonna be a bit like a quarter final probably.

BCCI and their pals will be desperately trying to come up with yet another new format for 2024 to make it more likely for India to qualify for the knockouts 😂
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Yup! Two massive defeats for us, haven't even been competitive one bit. Infact today's game was worse than the one against PAK.

Abysmal Performance from a team that has played 1 month of IPL on the same grounds just prior to the WC. Ran away before the 5th England test to prioritize IPL.

This is why I said, if you have young players becoming millionaires without doing one bit at international level then these are scary signs, no one will have the hunger to do well, to perform and make a name for themselves.

This is not a knee jerk reaction from me, I've been speculating this since quite some time now that once Kohli and Rohit are past their peak, the overhyped youngsters will not have it in them to step up.
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sam_ahm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:54 pm

Yup! Two massive defeats for us, haven't even been competitive one bit. Infact today's game was worse than the one against PAK.

Abysmal Performance from a team that has played 1 month of IPL on the same grounds just prior to the WC. Ran away before the 5th England test to prioritize IPL.

This is why I said, if you have young players becoming millionaires without doing one bit at international level then these are scary signs, no one will have the hunger to do well, to perform and make a name for themselves.

This is not a knee jerk reaction from me, I've been speculating this since quite some time now that once Kohli and Rohit are past their peak, the overhyped youngsters will not have it in them to step up.


Bro. Its Black Magic 😂

Its now 7 out of 7 T20 WC games in Dubai International Cricket Stadium won by team wining the toss and batting 2nd. Not only India others also have struggled batting first here. Its now getting very clear team batting 2nd in Dubai International Cricket Stadium wins the game no need to play
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